39 Things the Geocentric Model Explains Better than the Spinning Ball

A globe defender posted a list of 39 things he believes could not happen in a geocentric model. Our @rokro111 addresses each one.

questions for flat earth

1. Horizon is the apparent intersection of the earth and sky as seen by an observer. The horizon exists whether the earth is flat or round.

2. Objects moving away from the observer reach a perspective convergence of top, sides, and bottom called the vanishing point. Objects in the sky will disappear top-first if we could see that just like objects on land or water disappear bottom-first.

perspective 3

3. Zoom lenses bring objects back into view unless those objects have already surpassed the vanishing point based on perspective convergence.

boat water

4. The sun and moon do not set and rise – both enter our view after they are within the convergence vanishing point and both exit our view after they are beyond the convergence vanishing point. Nobody knows what the sun or moon is so to assume it should change in size is an unfounded assumption. One cannot see forever due to convergence.

sun tracks

5. This is important to repeat – nobody knows what the sun or moon is so to assume it should change in size is simply an assumption.

6. Apparent angular velocity is completely meaningless and ignored.

7. All maps have distortion. If maps had no distortions, the maps would be the exact same size as the locations they are representing.  The latitude and longitude coordinates align concisely on the map below:

map lat long

8. Measure the distances around both Antarctica and the equator, have those distances objectively verified, and then make a claim about the distances. Sizes or shapes of land masses or places on earth have no bearing on the shape of the earth.

9. The furthest star is 6000 miles away. When one’s distance from an object increases, the object (star) will converge beyond the vanishing point. Although the poles in this picture are about 40 feet tall, beyond a certain distance they are no longer viewable – just like the stars:

poles perspective

  • The moon’s orientation is different for observers who are looking at it from opposite positions. (Images from north and south viewing positions).

picture upside down moon


11. Star fields’ motion is a perspective issue. All celestial bodies in the sky move from East to West. At the equator, it’s a straight East to West movement and inside the equator the stars appear to diverge counter-clockwise and outside the equator the stars appear to diverge clockwise.

stars equator diverge

12. All things that go up must come down. This is one of the laws of physics. There is no proof any rocket has been more than 25 miles from the surface of earth.  Rockets have inherent limitations based on fuel, weight, and speed.  All rockets go up and come back down – there are no exceptions.

rocket trajectory 2

13. There is no such thing as gravity. Buoyancy adjustment is what happens. Less dense things always align themselves above more dense things. See the Laws of Buoyancy.

density buoyancy.jpeg

  1. Signals sent through the air are obtained by only three possible means – from high altitude balloons, land-based towers, or signals bounced off the ionosplane.

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  1. GPS does not work best in the ocean. There are few land-based towers in the ocean, but ocean towers do exist. For the oceans, LORAN (used since the 1940s) and land-based towers near the shore are the most common, so there are GPS signals near coastlines but not very far out. Most GPS usage is by people traveling on roads, and there are millions of land-based towers that provide GPS, cell, and data signals wirelessly.  Signals sent through the air are one of the most unreliable methods to send signals because of the degradation that occurs as distances and obstacles increase.

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  1. Earthquakes are caused by tectonic movements in the Earth’s crust. Continental drift is based on a speculation (assumption) by Abraham Ortelius in 1596 and that occurrence is not proven as an actual condition.
  1. It’s called the Theory of Continental Drift. This has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  2. Subduction zones have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  3. Rift valleys have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  4. Volcanoes have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  5. Subterranean seismic waves have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  6. S waves have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  7. P waves have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  8. Meteorites have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  9. Where meteorites come from has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  10. There is no proof planets are anything other than stars, and there is no proof stars or planets have a prograde or retrograde motion relative to anything. Planets/stars have no influence on the shape of the earth.
  11. Parallax requires the earth to move and there is no scientific proof the earth moves.
  12. No one can prove the pole star has ever changed. Also, stars have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  13. Nobody knows how solar eclipses occur and the assumption the moon causes a solar eclipse is an unfounded assumption. Eclipses have nothing to do with the shape of earth.
  14. Lunar eclipses are caused by an unknown phenomenon and the condition of the sun and the moon both being visible when eclipses occur, called the selenelion supports the fact that the earth is not casting a shadow on the moon.
  15.  The size of the umbra and penumbra support the size of the moon is
    about 35 miles wide.
  16. The solar eclipse has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  17. Neither solar nor lunar eclipses have anything to do with the shape of the earth.
  18. The size of the sun is less than 35.5 miles wide and can be measured
    using these simple steps found in this article. Additionally, the size of the sun has no bearing on the shape of the earth.
  19. As measured in #13, the distance to the sun is no more than 4,000 miles.
  20. Nobody knows what the sun is or how it works. Anything beyond that amounts to guesses and speculation.
  21. Lunar phases have nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
  22. Tides have nothing to do with shape of the earth.
  23. Buoyancy is the upward and downward force at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s. This acceleration is both up and down and is slowed by the medium through which things are moving. Gravity has remained unproven for over 336 years.  Laws govern buoyancy but gravity has always remained a theory.  There is an official buoyancy report due this month that corrects the wrongly applied usage of gravity as the cause for what buoyancy does.

Please note: The theory of evolution, theory of gravity, theory of general relativity, theory of heliocentrism, Big Bang theory, theory of cosmic expansion, and the theory of planetary motion are all guesses and all have to do with convincing people the earth is a spinning ball.  Theories stacked upon theories amount to assumptions reinforced by more assumptions.  Science is not, and should not be, based on assumptions.

The heliocentric model is supported by NASA, and all the space agencies’ collective annual budget of $42 billion. The spinning ball model, after all this time and money, still struggles with many aspects of why it is not the shape of the earth.  Ironically, the largest supporter of a spinning ball is NASA, and it has destroyed its credibility so it’s actually moving backwards.

The Case of the Disappearing Stars

In press conference after the moon landing, British reporter Patrick Moore asked the Apollo crew if they could see any stars, or if they were blocked out by the “corona of the sun.”

Truthers know everything is scripted in these things, and nothing is left to chance. But for whatever reason, the boys seemed unprepared for this question. They fumbled it, with Neil Armstrong saying he couldn’t recall what stars they could see, and Michael Collins saying he couldn’t recall seeing any.

The problem is, Apollo’s entire navigation system was based on stars. It included a “space sextant.”

flat_earth_apollo star navigation
The Apollo navigation system supposedly used stars for guidance.


Here is Buzz Aldrin with the star chart that they supposedly used:

flat earth buzz aldrin star chart

Here’s a closeup of the chart. The inscription reads, “Flown to the lunar surface on Apollo XI.” Signed by Buzz Aldrin.

star chart apollo 11 flat earth

So the men couldn’t see any stars, yet they had used stars to find the moon. No stars appear in the photos supposedly taken on the moon. This has long been heralded as an anomaly in moon hoax evidence by truthers.

NASA couldn’t figure out what stars would look like from the surface of the moon, so they just left them out. You’re not supposed to notice.

earth from moon
No stars? No problem!

Then in later years, the Apollo crew’s memory improved. In this appearance, Aldrin recalled seeing stars from space brighter than you can see them from earth.

So there you have it, folks. A collection of contradictions, as we’ve come to expect from NASA. The men found the moon via stars, but then they couldn’t see stars, but then later they could see them, but they don’t show up in pictures.

Because the whole thing was faked.

Flat Earth Brings Up Many Questions

When we first discover Flat Earth, we want answers. If Earth’s shadow doesn’t cause an eclipse, what does? Where are the ends of the Earth? How do they fake space?

We want answers, because the system gave us answers. We are conditioned to accept the answers they gave us. How far away is the moon? Just Google it. How far away is the sun? Just look it up. The government-run sites have an answer.

The authorities pretend to have answers. They control the narrative. We ask a question. We get an answer. We are satisfied.

But when we come across Flat Earth, our eyes are open. We see that it was all lies. Though NASA gives an answer to the distance to the moon, it’s not accurate. And we don’t know how far away it is. And nobody in Flat Earth can tell you with certainty. And that can be disappointing.

When a zealous new Flat Earther scours the internet looking for answers, he finds some explanations for things, and he finds gaping holes where information is lacking, and he realizes not everybody can be trusted to give good information.

So, globers and new Flat Earthers want to know, what causes a lunar eclipse? Let’s back up a step. First of all, what is the moon? It looks like a solid, but sometimes it behaves  like a liquid. It can disappear and reappear. Sometimes it seems to inflate and deflate, like a bag. Sometimes it’s transparent. Sometimes it’s not. It generates its own light, except when it doesn’t. It’s always there, except when it’s not. We know for at least one day  a month it disappears completely and no one on earth can see it. When you can tell me what the moon is, we can talk about what causes an eclipse.

I’m not afraid to say I don’t know what the moon is. I don’t pretend to have the answers. When I was new to Flat Earth, I wrote about what seemed to be the most reasonable explanations for things. I asked people I trust in the community, and I gave what my trusted FE friends and I thought were the best explanations.

But there are still things we don’t know. And we admit it.

For starters, we don’t have an accurate map. People are working on it daily. We don’t understand the sun’s path. We don’t know how tides or eclipses work.

But this we know: Earth is not a spinning ball.

Nobody’s ever been to the moon.

The sun isn’t 93 million miles away.


We keep on lifting our voices about what we know to be true, and being honest about what we don’t know.

When you come to Flat Earth, you figure out what didn’t happen, what’s not true, what our home is not. Figuring out what it is, could take years. We need years of the right people doing study and observation. Most of us have just arrived at the knowledge that earth is flat, so it could take a long time to get the answers we seek.

A mature and reasonable Flat Earther has to be able to say, “I don’t know,” with all sincerity and resolve, and leave it at that. We don’t make up answers. That’s what NASA and the government do. And we’re not like them.

We are like the sentinel, the town crier, waking everybody up in the middle of night, “The earth isn’t a globe! It’s not what they told us!” And somebody shouts from the window, “Well what is it then?” And we say, “We don’t know yet!”

We’re at the Town Crier stage.

Flat Earth brings up a lot of questions. And that’s OK.

Flat Earth Manifesto

Flat Earthers acknowledge that:

  1. Earth is not a sphere or an oblate spheroid. No one has ever proven that earth curves.
  2. Earth does not move. It is stationary. No one has ever proven that it spins.
  3. The sun, moon, and stars are small local lights. They are not hundreds of thousands, or millions, or trillions of miles away.
  4. Eclipses are not caused by earth’s shadow.
  5. What they call planets are not spherical, faraway objects, but are more likely wandering stars.
  6. Space (as we know it) is fake. Every mission by NASA and every other space agency is a hoax and no object or person has ever left Earth’s atmosphere.
  7. Satellites are fake. No satellite is now, or has ever been, in orbit. GPS and cell data transmission are done by cables, tower triangulation, and bouncing signals off the ionosphere.
  8. Stationary earth can be proven by many simple and repeatable observations and experiments. Many everyday tools could not function if earth were curved and spinning, e.g. the compass, gyroscope, radar and lighthouse.
  9. The physical properties of water, specifically that it always seeks its level, prove that oceans do not curve, and oceans could not adhere to the outside of a spinning ball.
  10. Gravity is a hoax. Rather, density and buoyancy govern how an object behaves in a given medium.
  11. Antarctica is not an island located at the bottom of the globe. It is more likely an ice ring that extends around our realm.
  12. An enclosure, called the dome or firmament, probably exists above our sky.

Coastlines Don’t Lie

Written by @rokro11


Here we find an interesting part about our flat and stationary earth.  It has to do with coast lines.  Coast lines are the perimeter around land masses that meet with the water’s edge.  One unique thing about undisturbed water is that it’s always flat and level.  Because of that fundamental attribute of water, another interesting thing about coast lines – where water and land masses meet, is that they all share something in common – sea level.  All seas, oceans, and the Gulf of Mexico are also at sea level because that’s what sea level means.  Sea level is an elevation of 0.


A mountain’s height is measured from sea level.  Sea level is constant on our flat and stationary earth and that’s why it’s used as a bench-mark to measure height above, or below, sea level.  One way to look at our earth to determine if it’s flat is to look at sea level, or the simple basis of all measurements for all elevations.



We can look at the elevation of a mountain such at Mount Fuji with an elevation of 12,389 feet, or Mount Rainier at 14,410 feet, which means the highest points on these mountains are 12,389 feet and 14,410 feet, respectively, above sea level.


If you want to look at valleys, a valley’s depth is measured off the baseline of sea level too. At an elevation of 180 feet below sea level, Calipatria is the lowest elevation city in California. The Dead Sea – bordering Israel, the West Bank, and Jordan – is a salt lake with an elevation 1,412 feet below sea level and the lowest point on dry land.


Although mountains, hills, and valleys, are common land features all over our flat earth, they do nothing to prove the curvature of the earth.

Building from my Coordinates Don’t Lie article, and using coordinate points, the distance from the center of our flat earth to the equator is 6,220 miles.  From the equator to the edge is another 6,220 miles.  Since that accounts for half the distance across the plane, the total of that result would need to be doubled, for a total of 24,880 miles from edge-to-edge of our flat earth.


This brings us back to the enormity and vastness of coast lines at sea level.  There are randomly scattered land mass coast lines that equate to about 15 times that of the width of our flat earth.  This is explained below:

Our flat and stationary earth is 24,880 miles wide.  Let’s examine this by reviewing 20 of the largest coast lines; the area where land meets water is at least 367,676 lineal miles long.  These coast lines are almost 15 times as long as the flat earth is wide.  The coast lines and their length are below:

CountryCoastline (Miles)
8United States12,380
10New Zealand9,404
13United Kingdom7,723



Using our established flat earth map, which shows all the stations, bases, and research facilities around the ice perimeter of our flat earth, I’ve added nearly 367,676 miles of red lines from edge to edge of our flat earth. Those red lines represent the coast lines (sea level of exactly 0) in visual form. Remember, coast lines are where the water meets the land, and where the sea or ocean is flat and level.



Twenty (20) measured coast lines total 367,676 linear miles that are all at sea level.  Not only are all these coast lines at sea level, so are the all the bodies of water that make up 72% of the flat earth’s surface.  This begs the question:  If from edge-to-edge all randomly located coast lines are all flat based on sea level, where is all the earth’s curvature?

There is no curvature of earth.  The curvature is a made-up lie about our flat & stationary earth. On a flat and stationary earth, the proof is right in front of our eyes with the evidence of all the coastlines, in addition to 72% of the earth’s surface which contains flat and level water.

If you have questions or comments regarding coastlines on our flat and stationary earth, please direct them to @rokro11 here or on Twitter.

Coordinates Don’t Lie

Written by @rokro11  An image of “Antarctica” on Google Maps looks like this:

antarctica 2

Does this look like a continent at the lower edge of the earth?  It does to me.  I’m sure that’s what it looks like to everybody who looks at it.  That’s what Antarctica is supposed to look like on earth were we live.

Let’s examine how distorted this image is and what it really represents.  Because all maps need to be plotted correctly and to scale, there’s a mapping system that uses latitude/longitude coordinates to pin-point any place on earth. All we need to know are its latitude and longitude to get there.

There are many identifying locations contained within the continent people have incorrectly accepted as Antarctica.  These locations are Antarctica Stations, bases, and research facilities.  These places all have latitude/longitude coordinates attached and it’s very easy to plot their locations.  These places are scattered at the outer perimeter of our flat & stationary earth and I’ve plotted the approximate locations based on their coordinates so you can visualize our actual earth.

In total, I’ve mapped 59 places we are told are in Antarctica and the locations of these places are very revealing.  All the locations are scattered along the outer perimeter of our earth with the land masses called continents contained within the boundary of the ice barrier that surrounds earth.

map coordinates

A map with these locations has been marked out for your review and confirms an outer perimeter.  Are the coordinate locations of the continents on this map accurate?  Yes they are; however, the land masses in the center of the map are disproportionately smaller compared to the land masses going from the center outward.

For example, the approximate width of the United States is 3,000 miles, and so is Australia. Australia looks wider on the map than the United States.  That’s because in order to match the coordinates with the map, the further from the center, the distances and coordinate points are accurate but the appearance makes it look bigger. The limitation of coordinate maps and their plotted locations create a distorted image of the land masses.

A longitude/latitude coordinate system has been designed to account for every single square inch of our earth. This latitude part of this system is based on the 0 point, representing the equator, and moving inward. The numbers increase to 90 degrees north which represents the center of our earth.  From the equator starting at 0, and moving outward, the latitude increases until it reaches the very edge at 90 degrees south.

The longitude portion of this coordinate system identifies the location east and west of a certain point, the Prime Meridian.  These points begin at 0 degrees W and proceed along the western area until it reaches 180 degrees W.  The other side starts with 0 degrees E and proceeds up the eastern side until it reaches 180 degrees E.

This is a pin-point accurate system and more information about it can be found here.

It’s important to understand that the Antarctica locations are not located on a continent, but rather an ice-ring around the perimeter of our earth. This is not new information – it’s merely been withheld from us by people who know the earth is flat and stationary.

With the conclusion of this article, I can confidently say the earth, with Antarctica coordinates forming a circle of locations around the earth’s perimeter, is flat. We can now be confident we have a flat earth map and we can dismiss the representation of Antarctica as nothing more than lies to keep us from knowing the actual layout of our flat and stationary earth.

The latitude/longitude data to plot the Antarctic perimeter can be found here:

1Sanae IVAntarctica-70°17’60.00″ S, -2°21’59.99″ W
2Queen Maud LandAntarctica-71°23’59.99″ S, -2°30’59.99″ W
3Neumayer Station IIIAntarctica-70°39’59.9″S, -8°15’59.4″W
4SveaAntarctica-74°34’34″S, -11°13’31″W
5WasaAntarctica-73°03’S, -13°25’W
6Halley Research StationAntarctica-75°36′16″ S, -26°12′32″ W
7Belgrano II BaseAntarctica-77°52’26.2″S, -34°37’35.3″W
8OrcadasAntarctica-60°43.9998′ S, -44°43.9998′ W
9Marambio BaseAntarctica-64°14’27.0″S, -56°37’37.6″W
10Esperanza BaseAntarctica-63°23’53.8″S, -56°59’49.5″W
11Carlini BaseAntarctica-62°14’16.8″S, -58°40’00.8″W
12Palmer StationAntarctica-64°46’27.1″S, -64°03’07.3″W
13VernadskyAntarctica-65°14.72’S, -64°15.40’W
14San Martín BaseAntarctica-68°07’49.0″S, -67°06’12.6″W
15Rothera Research StationAntarctica-67°33’50.1″S, -68°07’26.0″W
16Fossil BluffAntarctica-71°19.76’S, -68°16.02’W
17Sky BluAntarctica-74°51.38’S, -71°34.16’W
18BharatiAntarctica-69°24.41’S, -76°11.72’W
19Smyley StationAntarctica-72°45’07.6″S, -78°01’09.6″W
20EllsworthAntarctica-75°29’59.99″ S, -80°00’0.00″ W
21Hercules DomeAntarctica-86°S, -105°W
22ByrdAntarctica-80°01’00″S, -119°32’00″W
23Marie Byrd LandAntarctica-75°10’58.80″ S, -139°05’60.00″ W
24Roosevelt StationAntarctica -79°05’20.9″S, -162°31’53.8″W
25Troll StationAntarctica-72°00’44.9″S,  2°31’56.5″E
26TorAntarctica-71°53’S, 5°09′ E
27MaitriAntarctica-70°45.95’S, 11°44.15’E
28NovolazarevskayaAntarctica-70°46.43’S, 11°51.90’E
29Princess ElizabethAntarctica-71.9500° S, 23.3473° E
30JinnahAntarctica-70°24’S, 25°45’E
31Syowa / ShowaAntarctica-69°00.37’S, 39°35.40’E
32Dome FugiAntarctica-77° 19′ 0″ S, 39° 42′ 0″ E
33S17Antarctica-69°01.50’S, 40°06.50’E
34Enderby LandAntarctica-67°30’0.00″ S, 53°00’0.00″ E
35Kemp LandAntarctica-67°15’60.00″ S, 59°24’59.99″ E
36MawsonAntarctica-67°35’59.0″S, 62°52’50.7″E
37Mac Robertson LandAntarctica-70°00’0.00″ S, 65°00’0.00″ E
38Druzhnaya 4Antarctica-69°44’S, 73°42’E
39Progress 2/Law RacovitaAntarctica-69°23’S, 76°23’E
40ZhongshanAntarctica-69°22.27’S, 76°23.22’E
41TaishanAntarctica-73°51’S, 76°58’E
42Dome ArgusAntarctica-80°21’59.99″ S, 77°20’59.99″ E
43DavisAntarctica68°34’36.9″S, 77°58’06.8″E
44Kaiser Wilhelm IIAntarctica-66°47’59.99″ S, 89°10’60.00″ E
45Queen MaryAntarctica-66°44’59.99″ S, 96°00’0.00″ E
46Vostok StationAntarctica-78°27’48.2″S, 106°57’17.2″E
47Wilkes StationAntarctica-66°15’15.36″ S, 110°31’19.31″ E
48CaseyAntarctica-66°16’56.5″S, 110°31’38.7″E
49Law DomeAntarctica-66°43’59.99″ S, 112°49’59.99″ E
50Dome CharlieAntarctica-75°05’60.00″ S, 123°20’59.99″ E
51Concordia StationAntarctica-75°06’02.4″S, 123°21’29.0″E
52AdelleAntarctica-66°11’60.00″ S, 136°10’60.00″ E
53Dumont d’Urville StationAntarctica-66°39’47.2″S, 140°00’07.6″E
54Mid PointAntarctica-75°32.44’S, 145°49.12’E
55Mario Zucchelli StationAntarctica-74°41’44.0″S, 164°06’07.8″E
56Jang BogoAntarctica-74°37’0″S, 164°12’5″E
57VictoriaAntarctica-77°53’59.99″ S, 164°23’59.99″ E
58Scott BaseAntarctica-77°50’59.99″ S, 166°44’59.99″ E
59McmurdoAntarctica-77°50’38.2″S, 166°41’33.3″E

Be assured the above representation of earth (map) is accurate and can be shown to be the actual flat and stationary earth upon which we live. Antarctica is a circle surrounding our earth and not a land mass in the fictional south portion of our earth.  Don’t take my word for it – if you want to check the layout of the land masses using the true and accurate latitude/longitude coordinate system – it’s an accurate representation of the earth we all live on. By all means check the map to see if the coordinate layout is pin-point accurate based on your home. The lies about our earth must stop right now!

If you have any questions, you can direct them to @rokro11 on Twitter or post any questions or comments below.